well, probably my mistake was to make the issue of ‘top-nakedness’ come right before ‘prostitution’. i said those cuz they are the two main points of discussion in the piece not because i implied that one is dependent on another. as you assumed i implied, ‘topless women are prostitutes’. i didnt intend to say that. well as for whether you are angry or i read meanings into ur post, that’s neither here nor there. we can always deduce the tone of voice of a writer from his/her choice of words. my point is well-made: there is no justification for the glamorization of prostitution. if you think otherwise, then you are probably fighting against women. that isnt feminism, it is patriarchy. All the best in that, ok?

From your last comment:
“some feminists want women to have the freedom to take off their shirts in public. is that really all what this is about? instead of attacking the real issues, WE ARE HERE JUSTIFYING PROSTITUTION all in the name of ‘ WOMEN SHOULD HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN BODIES’.”

That, right there, is why I said you seemed to be conflating shirtlessness with prostitution. But you already know you wrote that and you’re just denying it because that’s what men do when their hateful points of view are made clear to them: deny and become offended when your lies aren’t believed. (The example is within 20 seconds.)

Also, I cannot help if you read my typed text with an angry inner voice. That is your prerogative and doesn’t change the actual fact of my attitude. Though, really, you are the one being insensitive and disrespectful to the majority of the people in the world, so….

But I told myself I wouldn’t answer you because this conversation is pointless–not because my head is on FIRE with ANGER at the MAN who DARED to have an OPINION, but because you are a man who is doing as he was socialized to do: performing masculinity through the subjugation of women. In this particular case by ignoring what you are being told by women–well, a woman. And since listening to women is allyship 101 for men, I believe I am safe to assume you aren’t actually interested in feminism. That is why I said I wouldn’t debate you anymore, not because I’m an angry man-hater who hates men.

I expect any reply you have to distort what I’ve said, but I will not be responding to you again. I feel confident in making the assumption that you are smart enough to know when you’re sea-lioning (or whatevering if this particular iteration has a different nickname) and I have no interest in playing the game any longer.

There it is. the belligerence and seeming bitterness that stains feminism. did i in anyway call shirtless women prostitutes? wow!!! its like your prejudice of men has come to bear just by reading a blog post from a guy who thinks prostitution shouldnt be justified for women merely because they want sexual freedom. and also, gender equality shouldnt be about women fighting for what society seems to have given to men but rather what women deserve. i HONESTLY thought we were having an intellectual debate till ur last comment. you sound pissed and it’s definitely not my fault. you call yourself ‘an actual feminist’ well vitriol is what you probably spew *judging from your last comment*. and that is wrong. VERY VERY WRONG. its like nobody can have a discourse with any of ur kind without it ending up in some bitter exchanges. You think women going topless is a priority in feminism, well done. you think prostitution is justifiable because of prostitution, well bravo!!! but hear this, these two will go a long way to deepen the foundations of patriarchy… ah well.. all the best in your fight for equality.

You’re missing that the unequal treatment of men and women–from differing treatments of shirtlessness to punishments for being raped–all come from the same place: patriarchy. I do not have to pick the “worst” iteration and work against it exclusively; I am against it in all its forms. But of course you aren’t; you are the sort of man who calls a raped woman a prostitute (or were you calling shirtless women prostitutes?) and thinks of grown women as the equivalent of children. Also, being a woman, I don’t need to read your posts on feminism to know what it is. Why don’t you read mine so you can actually learn what women (you know, the actual FEMinists) think feminism is? Because, at least with this post, you seem to just be parroting patriarchy and calling it feminism.

Either way, just FYI, I’m done debating this with you. If you’re really interested in learning, you will go out and learn; if you’re not, you won’t. You will know the truth of what kind of person you are. I don’t need to.

the thing about citing a particular scenario as a support to your point is, there is always gonna be divergent views. Because no two events are identical. so moving on from there, you really think women should be allowed to take off their shirts in public? cool. do u realize that in some circles men takin off their shirt is prohibited. a footballer gets a yellow card for celebrating a goal by doing that. i am sure this is my first post you are reading or the first one on feminism. i write about gender a lot. i am all for feminism (at least the acceptable part of it). i hate patriarchy. i even have a post entitled ‘patriarchy: the bane of men’. what i dont like about some feminist views is the pettiness and belligerence. a woman was raped in Saudi Arabia not too long ago. she was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 200 lashes. we are not talking about that. some feminists want women to have the freedom to take off their shirts in public. is that really all what this is about? instead of attacking the real issues, WE ARE HERE JUSTIFYING PROSTITUTION all in the name of ‘ WOMEN SHOULD HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER THEIR OWN BODIES’. excuse me, i find that rather childish (sorry if you find this offensive). Let’s tackle the real issues. you can go through my blog to find out the lot i have said about gender and feminism. we are probably on the same side, it is just that i feel some feminists are giving the noble cause a bad name. it is a fact you cant dispute. we should all stand against such backward ideologies.

You can’t just repeat “the logic” and expect what you said to be logical. There was a logical reason you were given treatment that you perceived as unfair as a child–you would hurt yourself. There is no logical reason for the disparate differences in treatment between men and women without the explanation of patriarchy.

of course i wasnt making my point based on the items involved, but the logic. The logic. Thinking thay you must have something merely because another person has it. That isnt right. and no, me dont dictate what women should do with their bodies but if i walked into ur room and were top naked, wld you cover urself or not? am sure u will. thats your answer right there. A guy wldnt mind a woman seeing his chest, cuz theres nothing there really.